3 years ago#1
dylan
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History of the Black Eyed Pea Tradition
May We Never Forget Our Roots & Traditions!!!
By Ron Perrin, Fort Worth Texas

"The Real Story is much more interesting and has gone untold in fear that feelings would be hurt. It’s a story of war, the most brutal and bloody war, military might and power pushed upon civilians, women, children and elderly. Never seen as a war crime, this was the policy of the greatest nation on earth trying to maintain that status at all costs. An unhealed wound remains in the hearts of some people of the southern states even today; on the other hand, the policy of slavery has been an open wound that has also been slow to heal but is okay to talk about.

The story of THE BLACK EYED PEA being considered good luck relates directly back to Sherman's Bloody March to the Sea in late 1864. It was called The Savannah Campaign and was lead by Major General William T. Sherman. The Civil War campaign began on 11/15/64 when Sherman 's troops marched from the captured city of Atlanta, Georgia, and ended at the port of Savannah on 12/22/1864.

When the smoke cleared, the southerners who had survived the onslaught came out of hiding. They found that the blue belly aggressors that had looted and stolen everything of value and everything you could eat including all livestock, death and destruction were everywhere. While in hiding, few had enough to eat, and starvation was now upon the survivors.

There was no international aid, no Red Cross meal trucks. The Northern army had taken everything they could carry and eaten everything they could eat. But they couldn’t take it all. The devastated people of the south found for some unknown reason that Sherman ’s bloodthirsty troops had left silos full of black eyed peas.

At the time in the north, the lowly black eyed pea was only used to feed stock. The northern troops saw it as the thing of least value. Taking grain for their horses and livestock and other crops to feed themselves, they just couldn’t take everything. So they left the black eyed peas in great quantities assuming it would be of no use to the survivors, since all the livestock it could feed had either been taken or eaten.

Southerners awoke to face a new year in this devastation and were facing massive starvation if not for the good luck of having the black eyed peas to eat. From New Years Day 1866 forward, the tradition grew to eat black eyed peas on New Year’s Day for good luck."

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3 years ago#2
lpalmer
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This text is within quotes, indicating to me that it is copied from an unnamed source. Who wrote it and what is the complete citation?

Copying without attribution is sad.

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3 years ago#3
Donny
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It says right at the top where the text came from.

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3 years ago#4
lpalmer
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A citation includes publisher, year and page numbers. In this case the text is embedded in a blog at: http://ronsblog.hubpages.com/hub/Why-THE-BLACK-EYED- PEA-is-good-luck-to-eat-on-New-Years-Day

The assumption is that it is ALL original from Ron.

Ron alludes to a history professor who knew the true story, but no citations or ideas on where the prof
found the facts.

Citation is a courtesy to the reader for follow-up. Without sources the text is suspect as to reliability.
Also, a writer deserves recognition and credit.

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3 years ago#5
Ajhall
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For our purposes, attribution is sufficient. Citations are appropriate for formal papers, not informal exchanges of ideas and personal insights. Note that blogs on this site do in fact contain formal citations where appropriate.

I might add that if one needs or wants a formal citation for a given quote, I'm sure a PM to the poster, or a request in a thread post will work.

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3 years ago#6
dylan
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Sorry, Andrew, I just happened to see your comments. Am still not getting any replies so I just have to roam and see if anyone has responded to anything that I have written. This came to me through a newsletter online, and I wrote at the top of the article exactly what it said on the newsletter:
History of the Black Eyed Pea Tradition
May We Never Forget Our Roots & Traditions!!!
By Ron Perrin, Fort Worth Texas

I will look around and see if I can find more information. I might add I've seen the same info on some other forums without any substantiation but I took this one since it had someone's name attached to it.

Again, sorry for this, but will ask around and see if I can come up with something more substantial.

Dylan

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3 years ago#7
Ajhall
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No need to apologize Dylan. I was simply pointing out to lpalmer that attributing a quoted or paraphrased piece to its author and the source publication is more than adequate for routine Forum posts. I also suggested that anyone so desiring should contact whoever wrote the post for more detailed source info.

I am very much aware of having material reposted without proper attribution. A year or so ago, I posted a bit on the CSS Alabama vs the USS Kearsage. A month later, in researching something else, I stumbled across a verbatim copy of my post, complete with pictures, on another site. I didn't have a problem with the site using it, but the lack of attribution did upset me. To my mind, all of your posts are properly attributed; you can post formal citations if you wish, but I hardly think it's necessary.

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3 years ago#8
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Well, thank you, Andrew, but your point is well taken and I have now thought about the last several posts I've put on the slavery thread. I have not shown sources, although I certainly have them. Shall I take some time and edit them so as to show the sources. I was in haste to write, but there's no excuse for sloppiness.

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3 years ago#9
Ajhall
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Don't bother to go back and edit the previous posts. Simply do a Reply post saying you inadvertently neglected to list your sources for a few previous entries, and note them there.

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3 years ago#10
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I saw this on a newsletter. If you read through a few of the comments on that forum, you will certainly appreciate this one. These people have no idea how to keep things clean. Also noticed that only one person referred to this man who posted this as stealing it. He gave NO reference as to where it came from.

BLACK EYED PEAS AKA "Damned Yankees" http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=188&f=1658&t=8504478

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3 years ago#11
Ajhall
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Amen to all that Dylan. Did you notice the only "call-out" on attribution was by the same person, using exactly the same words, as the complaint posted here?

I occasionally will read and post on sports-themed Forums, and let me tell you, the site referenced above is tame compared to those, and we look like a church synod. Oh well, civility, while apparently deeply wounded, is not dead yet.

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3 years ago#12
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Andy said:
Oh well, civility, while apparently deeply wounded, is not dead yet.

ROFL! You nailed it! I just wanted all who see this thread to realize how fortunate you are to be HERE because, trust me, I have been places that were even worse than that site, too. The names I've been called before would do justice to a new dictionary, not to MENTION the disparagement to my dead Mother!!

Dylan

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3 years ago#13
Taylor
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The nursery school is in.

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3 years ago#14
lpalmer
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Yes, the nursery-school bullies grab without thinking, not having graduated from the property right rules of age two. On the web we don't ask permission usually, but attribution says a lot about the person posting in terms of respect/regard for propriety and the person who originally created the text/object. Anyone who has ever read history or tried to track down sources in a family search knows how much time can be spent chasing down all of the threads of the story, some of which are quite frayed.

Civility says a lot about a person. The person who is civil can choose to be civil or not. The uncivil person has no choice at all. Profanity, we were told, is an attempt of a communication-challenged mind to express itself. Continuing as an adult to use sibling rivalry as a communication model is childish and ineffective. We can do better when we respect each other and recognize when we are fearful and reactive rather than self-confident and self-respectful.

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2 years ago#15
Judy Anderson
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Very nice to read someone speak of the War Between the States and not put blame on either side. I really believe both sides thought they had right on their side. I know slavery entered into this war but I think it was not what started the war. I never knew the story of the black eyed pea. I just knew you had to eat them for luck throughout the year. Now when I eat them on New Year's Day, I will appreciate them even more.

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2 months ago#16
Barbara
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Thanks for the reminder.

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